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Sidra · Nov 23, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

Jumping is not needed, for any reason, and would never make it into the mechanic as more than an emote that it already has. Cooking- what for? To make it more tedious when doing quests? "Oh man, I'm hungry. Let's fry up some Drake Flesh!"
Crafting- we already do that. We just don't have levels, and have to do it ourselves. Hence- armor crafters, weapon collectors, weaponsmiths. I really don't see why you would want anything different, especially with the new inscriptions system.

Swimming- what for? To get eaten by the occaisional beheamoth fish lurking in the animations for the deeper water? I fail to see the importance and use of this.

And I have no idea where nursing came from.

And that's my take on this issue. I tried not to sound flame-ey, but I guess I did put the OP down a bit. Please try to ignore that and see my point, since I actually am trying to make one. Anet doesn't add anything deemed "unnecessary" like that to the game. Stuff YOU might consider unnecessary, like 15k, FoW, PvP (if you love PvE), and other supposed "grinds" are there as an incentive to keep players around, and players happy. What's the point of making it to the endgame and getting "leet" if you don't have anything to show for it.

Loviatar · Nov 23, 2006, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Myria

And yet, funnily enough, on 06-17-2006 Ms. Gray made it fairly clear that imrpoved henchies would violate the existing gameplay model --
And yet here we are, less than six months later, with improved henchies, now called 'Heroes', that are clearly designed to supplant 'real' humans and make single- and dual-playing easier.

Then it was not in the best interest of the game for it to become 'AI Wars'.
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note that every hero you take to solo/duo farm takes a fair share of the drops unlike true solo/duo where you get it all which is a huge difference

and here is where i think you are completely wrong.

these heroes are not the uber player replacement Gaile was talking about.

check out the threads that say the heroes are nicely improved henchies but still have a long way to improve to decent player status.

the improvement is enough that you dont need to be an expert player to use henchies merely very good .

and for basic skip the lousy pug even average players are having success with the heroes.

since the hero AI is still very substandard to a halfway decent player we are not even close to AI wars

they have simply opened another choice to people who were begging to escape being forced to group with jerks just because the standard hench party wasnt quite good enough

Tobias Funke · Nov 23, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Go play WoW. Seriously. Go play WoW.

Alleji · Nov 23, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

To OP: Go play WoW

EDIT: God dammit. Someone had to beat me to it. >.<

Myria · Nov 23, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

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Originally Posted by Tobias Funke

Go play WoW. Seriously. Go play WoW.

For most games the fans can't wait to tell you why you should play their game, for GW the fans can't wait to tell you why you should go play WoW.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly that says about the GW fanbase, however I am entirely sure that, whatever it is, it does not reflect well on either GW or its fanbase.

Antheus · Nov 23, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

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Originally Posted by Myria

I'm not entirely sure what exactly that says about the GW fanbase, however I am entirely sure that, whatever it is, it does not reflect well on either GW or its fanbase.

It simply says, that the WoW crowd is getting bored with their game, and start looking for replacements.

When they try other games, they want them to be like WoW.

It's the first MMO syndrom. No MMO will ever again be as good as the first one you played.

And there's over 10 million WoW players who will spill into the MMO market.

aron searle · Nov 23, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by Myria

For most games the fans can't wait to tell you why you should play their game, for GW the fans can't wait to tell you why you should go play WoW.

When someone is basicly argueing to make it more like wow, what else can you say.

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I'm not entirely sure what exactly that says about the GW fanbase, however I am entirely sure that, whatever it is, it does not reflect well on either GW or its fanbase.

I think it says quite clearly that the GW fanbase thinks Wow players, are silly grindmonkeys, and dont want to see guild wars turn into clone wars.

Myria · Nov 23, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by aron searle

When someone is basicly argueing to make it more like wow, what else can you say.

Oh, I dunno, maybe "I don't think that would be a good idea," perhaps followed by a reason or two. Or perhaps the old standby when one has nothing particularly useful to add to a discussion, nothing at all.

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I think it says quite clearly that the GW fanbase thinks Wow players, are silly grindmonkeys, and dont want to see guild wars turn into clone wars.

The symptoms are far more akin to a severe inferiority complex than any real fear that GW will become a WoW clone.

Vilaptca · Nov 23, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

I've played WoW, I've played Lineage II. I don't exactly want to see GW become like either of them.

I bet if you hopped on the WoW forums and said you wish that WoW was instanced, you'd be met with the same replies you are getting here. Nobody wants their game to become the other game.

What will fishing, mining or any of that do for GW? What do they add to the game? What do you do with the fish you catch? Eat them? So now we have health potions in GW. What do you do with the stuff you mine? Craft armor? So all armorers are useless now.

GW wasn't meant to have any of that kind of stuff. Its more of a first person shooter than a real roleplaying game. And thats the way I like it.

What you're asking is like going on the Battlefield 2142 forums and asking the devs to add fishing. It doesn't even make sense to have it in these kind of games. It'd be a pointless addition and a complete waste of time on the devs part.

The day they add fishing over improved AI, is the day I leave GW.

KESKI · Nov 23, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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Originally Posted by Myria

For most games the fans can't wait to tell you why you should play their game, for GW the fans can't wait to tell you why you should go play WoW.

I'm not entirely sure what exactly that says about the GW fanbase, however I am entirely sure that, whatever it is, it does not reflect well on either GW or its fanbase.

You go to Japanese Restaurant order a hamburger side with fries, guess what you get

Something just isn't on the menu, you can advice them to put it on, but to do so or not its up to the restaurant. And they have every reason not to do so "because its their business"
Will the customers tell you "dude the big M is right across the street" and laugh?? Yes, I am sure they will

Of course you can stand on your ground and insist on a burger in Japanese Restaurant, that is also your choice. Saying the restaurant and the customer are sad because they dont have burger?? Sorry I fail to see the logic in this one

I dont speak for others, but when ever a friend ask me, if they want to spend every night on a game, and do all those life skill, guess where I direct them?? EVE my man=P(sorry in my list WOW is behind EVE and EQ2)
Why go to a game that dont have these and ask for it when you can go to a game that already have it all??

I play GW because "I dont want to spend time on things that doesnt matter, I just want to play the game, not live in it". I dont see them film Frodo taking a pee, cause "Its not important", and yet this was never ask in other game that have "life skill"....how can someone eat load of food but dont "let" something out

I wonder what is under their armor~~

Simplcity is its own beauty

(when its done right that is, not saying you should bite a life deer)

Myria · Nov 23, 2006, 05:26 PM // 17:26

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

note that every hero you take to solo/duo farm takes a fair share of the drops unlike true solo/duo where you get it all which is a huge difference

Only to farmers, no one else gives a happy hang.

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these heroes are not the uber player replacement Gaile was talking about.

Back in June that thread was started both bemoaning the poor henchie AI and asking why it wasn't better. Ms. Gray posts saying, to paraphrase, that the henchie AI is not better because making better henchies would turn Guild Wars into AI Wars and that would not be in the best interest of the game. We now have better henchies, in the form of 'Heroes', and the game has changed markedly because of them, in many ways becoming the predicted "AI Wars". Only now that is an improvement to the game when back then it shouldn't be done because it would ruin the game.

Things change.

Heroes are most certainly exactly what that thread was about. Ms. Gray's babble about an "uber player replacement" was just that, babble, meaningless to the discussion. No one, let alone Anet, can make an "uber player replacement", an AI that is better than a human player whilst having to follow the same ruleset. Anet especially couldn't, to date their AI has rarely risen above the atrocious level. The only reason any of their AI stands a chance against a human player is because the AI does not follow the same ruleset.

Myria · Nov 23, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

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Originally Posted by KESKI

You go to Japanese Restaurant order a hamburger side with fries, guess what you get

OT, a tad, but to answer your question...

Actually my brother, being more than a bit of an arse, used to do this all the time, albeit many years ago. Chinese Restaurant, Japanese Restaurant, expensive French Restaurant, didn't matter, he'd order a cheeseburger and fries. What he almost always got for his trouble was an annoyed glare from the waiter shortly followed by a cheeseburger and fries. Surprisingly few kitches lack the ability or ingredients to make one or both, most will if asked.

Honestly, you need a new analogy as that one is severly flawed.

Swinging Fists · Nov 23, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

As long as we are telling the devs how to change the game, I would like it to: 1) do my taxes, 2) answer my phone, 3) wake me up in the morning, and 4) handle my email. /sarcasm

Fact is, the devs are quite busy making the game what it is (they don't even have time to get the elite mission done by release) and we want them to spend time putting in little things like fishing ? Some suggestions are in line with making this game better, but others simply want to change what the game is, and that is just not going to happen. See the difference ?

KESKI · Nov 23, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Myria

OT, a tad, but to answer your question...

Actually my brother, being more than a bit of an arse, used to do this all the time, albeit many years ago. Chinese Restaurant, Japanese Restaurant, expensive French Restaurant, didn't matter, he'd order a cheeseburger and fries. What he almost always got for his trouble was an annoyed glare from the waiter shortly followed by a cheeseburger and fries. Surprisingly few kitches lack the ability or ingredients to make one or both, most will if asked.

Honestly, you need a new analogy as that one is severly flawed.

honestly?? Cause back then me and my friend did a few, and now, my sister and her friend doing it sometime....the rate of actualy getting something not on their menu is....low

For a very simple reason, they wont know what to charge you, they didnt have a set price, and whatever price they charge, can be argue by that customer. (a customer order something out side the menu, come on, you know he is here for trouble

)
When I worked as waiter back then, we were train to friendly advice this customers to go somewhere else or change their order

(we can change the souce on a dish, change a sushi box to vege sushi box)

Well, I guess its either our cook is lazy or our boss just dont give a damn

Cherno · Nov 23, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

/not signed.

I don't really care about those items that you mentioned. Map travels means you don't need mounts. I get around fine without swimming, jumping, flying.

You don't even give them huge credit for the improvements that they have made, even with this last realease.

Dye preview, armor and weapon inscriptions and insignias, templating, pvp armor switching, etc.

I would really like to see an armor preview though so you could see what armor would look like before you buy it.

aron searle · Nov 23, 2006, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Myria

OT, a tad, but to answer your question...

Actually my brother, being more than a bit of an arse, used to do this all the time, albeit many years ago. Chinese Restaurant, Japanese Restaurant, expensive French Restaurant, didn't matter, he'd order a cheeseburger and fries. What he almost always got for his trouble was an annoyed glare from the waiter shortly followed by a cheeseburger and fries. Surprisingly few kitches lack the ability or ingredients to make one or both, most will if asked.

Honestly, you need a new analogy as that one is severly flawed.

And if you watch ramseys kitchen nightmares the resturants that try and do to large a menu and cater for everyone suffer.

We can play this game all day.

The game was marketed and made for an audience that dosnt want these things.

TiNkLeR · Nov 23, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

Ok, read the OP post again.

*Darcy* · Nov 23, 2006, 08:50 PM // 20:50

I don't want to cook, build a house, or gather food, just to play the game. The food requirement, along with the imposed rest periods, were annoying in D&D back in the days when it was just a pen and paper game, and my feelings about that haven't changed.

I like changes that improve the game, not just a change to give me something to do in my idle time or to insert unnecessary requirements.

I would never tell someone to go play WoW. I've never played it myself. The same with Lineage II and EVE, etc. But posters need to take a good look at why they request what they do. Is it an attempt to make GW more like another game? It seems that they are trying to add features from other games, but keep the "no monthly fee" of GW. In that case, they are talking to the wrong game developers. They need to convince Blizzard and the others that offer all those extras that "no monthly fee" would widen their player base.

No computer game has ever existed that did not cause a litany of complaints. If you have 10 people play the same game, you will get 10 lists of required improvements to make it more playable. Every individual likes different things and we are all more comfortable with a familiar game type.

So, I agree with the OP, that posters shouldn't use "go play WoW" as the stock answer to change requests they don't like. Instead, they need to explain that they don't want GW to have more resemblence to other games.

crimsonfilms · Nov 23, 2006, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Myria

OT, a tad, but to answer your question...

Actually my brother, being more than a bit of an arse, used to do this all the time, albeit many years ago. Chinese Restaurant, Japanese Restaurant, expensive French Restaurant, didn't matter, he'd order a cheeseburger and fries. What he almost always got for his trouble was an annoyed glare from the waiter shortly followed by a cheeseburger and fries. Surprisingly few kitches lack the ability or ingredients to make one or both, most will if asked.

Honestly, you need a new analogy as that one is severly flawed.

And how good where those burgers? Did they have all the trimmings for a good burger? How many half ass burgers did you get?
Not to mention your brother did not get to savor the actual specialty of the restaurant. Why spend that money and time to ask for the worse possible item?

Oh yeah, because you can....

No it was not flawed, you basically proved his point.

Might as well asked ANet to make this a FPS if we follow your logic.

Age · Nov 24, 2006, 12:08 AM // 00:08

We don't need mounts we need wurms.

There a lot of other things that need improving on eg. reconnects more down the line.